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neither fish, flesh, nor good red herring

idiom
Meaning

Synonym of neither fish nor fowl (“not easily categorized; not rightly belonging or fitting well in a given group or situation; also, not having the advantages of the various options”).


Origin

disputed origin

The three foods are metonyms for those things suitable to each of medieval society’s classes of people; fish represents the clergy, flesh represents commoners, whilst red herring represents paupers; the three classes are simplistically regarded as exhaustive.

Examples
SIMPLE

This new device is neither fish, flesh, nor good red herring.

CONTEXTUAL

The committee rejected the proposal because it was neither fish, flesh, nor good red herring, failing to address any of the core issues.

COMPLEX

The hybrid policy proved to be neither fish, flesh, nor good red herring, as it lacked the structure of the old system while failing to provide the flexibility promised by the new one.

Anchors to
Related idioms8entries
  1. 01

    a good deal

    Very much; to a great extent; a lot; lots.

  2. 02

    all good

    It's all good.

  3. 03

    become one flesh

    To join together in marriage; to develop a unifying bond as a result of marrying.

  4. 04

    big fish

    An important person.

  5. 05

    big fish in a small pond

    One who has achieved a high rank or is highly esteemed, but only in a small, relatively unimportant, or little known location or organization.

  6. 06

    bigger fish to fry

    A much more pressing issue to attend to.

  7. 07

    bleed red ink

    To suffer from severe net losses.

  8. 08

    but good

    To a high degree; very thoroughly; in a most definite manner.

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